Rick Dolishny

best thing about editby Rick Dolishny on Aug 11, 2008 at 10:40:29 pmIf someone (cough, cough) was to write a clever script and produce a savvy high tech sales video for Discreet Edit what would be the key sell points?I have a few:- scrubbable clips in the bin- searchable database that searches all fields quickly and accurately- fast bin switching- fast and accurate waveform redraws- robust capture tools that lets you annotate with digitizing- audio mixer that lets you mix while playing- timeline that updates while playing- PRINT TO TAPE TO A BLANK TAPE- an eject button in the capture tool- four point edits, three point edits, and of course the industries only one point edit- that cool mark Q and snap to Q that defies explanation- reverse paste from out…I know, some of these features are in some versions of software but Edit always had them (like an eject button exists in Avid, but you can't map it to a key).It would be totally legit looking but also tongue in cheek. If you see this awesome example you know what I mean. I guarantee it would be the short-lived editor's hit of youtube for like 20 minutes.—Rick DolishnyDiscrete Editors COW Leaderwww.thecreativeprocess.caRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Rick Dolishny on Aug 12, 2008 at 1:14:53 am… and of course the new edit system will be called "mojave" ;)http://www.mojaveexperiment.com/—Rick DolishnyDiscrete Editors COW Leaderwww.thecreativeprocess.caRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Ron Shook on Aug 12, 2008 at 7:04:38 amRick,[Rick Dolishny] "what would be the key sell points"Nice list. I'll add a few more:–Comprehensive, accurate time-code display, usage and I/O.–Superb handling of time-code breaks on source material.–Dual track stereo or mono source audio during capture.–Comprehensive insert/over-record editing structure.–In and out keyframes on all clips placed on the timeline.Ron ShookShoulder-High Eye ProductionsCreativeCOW Forum Host for Discreet edit*Respond to this post Return to posts index Wondertouch particleIllusion Re: best thing about editby Rick Dolishny on Aug 12, 2008 at 4:42:30 pmAh only the grey beards would find these features valuable, but they were in fact incredibly valuable. Nice contribution!…and by that I mean the kids these days accept timecode breaks as the end of the capture session. Time to figure out a plan B or some workaround.—Rick DolishnyDiscrete Editors COW Leaderwww.thecreativeprocess.caRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Chris Hanson on Aug 12, 2008 at 11:04:16 amI'd add:Time-warpSingle keystroke to copy attributes across clips. (Invaluable when you had a 2 camera shoot and they weren't lined up properly)cheerschris.Respond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Dave Friend on Aug 12, 2008 at 1:09:54 pmplus:Undo lists that are persistent for the life of the job.Separate undo lists for each bin and timeline.Timeline renders that are used when the timeline is nested as a source.Multiple versions of timeline renders that can be toggled on/off.Ability to apply a transition to a large number of clips at once.Fast and direct keyboard access to clip slip/slide trimming.Fast and direct keyboard access of Go-To specific or relative time value on timeline.Super fast ability to find a clip in the bin based on a specific timecode value.Handle jobs of any size (hundreds of clips, many hours of footage, scads of graphics and titles) without any performance penalty.Batch export of whole or selected portions of multiple timelines. (OK, this was a bit buggy. But when it worked it was great.)Spot on clip recapture.Easy manipulation of selected/multiple audio keyframes.And I'm sure we will think of others…DaveRespond to this post Return to posts index TechSmith Re: best thing about editby Herb Sevush on Aug 12, 2008 at 4:07:07 pmAnd I'm sure we will think of others…Such as Intelligent rendering whereby only items that were visibly changed need to be re-rendered (as opposed to FCP where anything that has been so much as sniffed at will have to be re-rendered.)Project Backups that saves everything (including graphics, CG & effects) except for video media, allowing for ease of archiving and then restoring projects.Video Mute that works (as opposed to FCP video mute that destroys all timeline renders – and this is not a bug, it's a "feature").Herb SevushZebra ProductionsRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Herb Sevush on Aug 12, 2008 at 6:19:28 pmAnd, how could I forget …Variable audio waveforms that can be toggled to a larger waveform height when dealing with lower audio levels – great for cutting audio.Herb SevushZebra ProductionsRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Rick Dolishny on Aug 12, 2008 at 4:40:37 pmOMG how could I have forgotten the unlimited undo?Also add "eject tape on tape change"; like why would anyone want that in a batch digitize session.I'm sure some young jr editor will come across this thread and think we are joking.—Rick DolishnyDiscrete Editors COW Leaderwww.thecreativeprocess.caRespond to this post Return to posts index TechSmith Re: best thing about editby Ron Shook on Aug 12, 2008 at 5:33:53 pmRick,[Rick Dolishny] "OMG how could I have forgotten the unlimited undo?"Or the fact that it stayed with the project until you deleted the project.Ron ShookShoulder-High Eye ProductionsCreativeCOW Forum Host for Discreet edit*Respond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Ron Shook on Aug 12, 2008 at 5:38:01 pmDave,[Dave Friend] "Handle jobs of any size (hundreds of clips, many hours of footage, scads of graphics and titles) without any performance penalty."It doesn't look like we'll ever see that one again. Sigh!!!Ron ShookShoulder-High Eye ProductionsCreativeCOW Forum Host for Discreet edit*Respond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Lyn Norstad on Aug 12, 2008 at 6:09:04 pmGuys …Much as I LOVE(d) edit (and still do), I'm beginning to think maybe just a tad bit of E.A.D. (Editors Alzheimer's Disease) might be kicking in here.This for example …[Ron Shook] "[Dave Friend] "Handle jobs of any size (hundreds of clips, many hours of footage, scads of graphics and titles) without any performance penalty."It doesn't look like we'll ever see that one again. Sigh!!!"Probably cuz we didn't really see "it" in the first place. Unless you don't consider a job taking HOURS to load because of thousands of sources …Uff Da!Regards,Lyn NorstadChicagoland, USACo-host of CreativeCOW forums:Discrete Edit*orsMatrox Video SystemsLeitch dpsVelocityRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Ron Shook on Aug 12, 2008 at 7:16:20 pmLyn,[Lyn Norstad] "Probably cuz we didn't really see "it" in the first place. Unless you don't consider a job taking HOURS to load because of thousands of sources …"Friendly's comment was somewhat of an exaggeration because there could be some performance hit, but nothing like the competition. The point here is that we edit*ors thought nothing of working with the kinds of large projects that Dave descibes while the competition had to break it down, and increasingly has to all the more and we weren't working with blazingly fast dual quad cores. Trying to do a 20 part series of 1 hr. docos as one project would slog edit*, but one of those very complex docos never would.[Lyn Norstad] "I'm beginning to think maybe just a tad bit of E.A.D. (Editors Alzheimer's Disease) might be kicking in here."Probably, but no one's admitting to it. (g)Ron ShookShoulder-High Eye ProductionsCreativeCOW Forum Host for Discreet edit*Respond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Ron Shook on Aug 12, 2008 at 5:41:30 pmRick,[Rick Dolishny] "- timeline that updates while playing"At any percentage of the timeline you care to set including having the editing cursor set still while the timeline scrolls past. I can't tell you how much I miss that.Ron ShookShoulder-High Eye ProductionsCreativeCOW Forum Host for Discreet edit*Respond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby David Roth Weiss on Aug 13, 2008 at 10:06:58 pmHey, nobody mentioned the ability to create clips on the fly while capturing with just a keystroke. That was a great feature.And, as Friendly mentioned, the best was "Spot on clip recapture."David Roth WeissDirector/EditorDavid Weiss Productions, Inc.Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™A forum host of Creative COW's Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.Respond to this post Return to posts index Innobits Re: best thing about editby Rick Dolishny on Aug 14, 2008 at 2:36:56 amNow my edit Alzheimer's is settling in… wasn't that only on the DVision?As I sit here watching my Media Composer render out strobe I recall the real-time motion effects like strobe.Plus the 'unlimited length' graphics. Just drag that 30 minute bug across the entire show.Oh yeah, the real time graphics track that allowed you to add a 30 minute bug without rendering.This gets better and better (or sadder and sadder if you consider what's state of the art) every hour.—Rick DolishnyDiscrete Editors COW Leaderwww.thecreativeprocess.caRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Del Holford on Aug 15, 2008 at 12:42:55 pmAnd speaking of the graphic track…I love the ability to fade in & out from within the graphic and that it stays there when lengthening or shortening the duration of the graphic and the simplicity of x or y moves. For tagging spots it's a real timesaver.The slip & slide feature is also great and I'm sure was copied by others. If this thread goes on much longer I'll get depressed. FCP has some good filters and transitions but the ease of Inscriber and BorisFX in the bundle was way ahead of its time.Delfire*, smoke*, photoshopCS3Charlotte Public Televisiondel underscore edits at wtvi dot orgRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Rob Maloney on Aug 15, 2008 at 6:05:00 pmHi Folks,I just finished 98 videos for a client using his Avid with Marquee…Man, I miss edit* with Inscriber… Nothing was easier.Rob"If you're walking on thin ice, you might as well dance"Respond to this post Return to posts index Avid Re: best thing about editby David Roth Weiss on Aug 17, 2008 at 1:16:13 am[Rick Dolishny] "Now my edit Alzheimer's is settling in… wasn't that only on the DVision?"No, you just hit the enter key while capturing and a new clip was created. At least that's what I think I remember.David Roth WeissDirector/EditorDavid Weiss Productions, Inc.Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™A forum host of Creative COW's Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.Respond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby Lyn Norstad on Aug 17, 2008 at 6:56:15 pmDavid -I've been meaning to ask you about this …[David Roth Weiss] "POST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™"Does that mean you're offering Unusual Insanity?Uff Da!Regards,Lyn NorstadChicagoland, USACo-host of CreativeCOW forums:Discrete Edit*orsMatrox Video SystemsLeitch dpsVelocityRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby David Roth Weiss on Aug 17, 2008 at 7:45:53 pm[Lyn Norstad] "Does that mean you're offering Unusual Insanity?"No insanity is unusual, so I guess the answer would be yes…David Roth WeissDirector/EditorDavid Weiss Productions, Inc.Los AngelesPOST-PRODUCTION WITHOUT THE USUAL INSANITY ™A forum host of Creative COW's Apple Final Cut Pro, Business & Marketing, and Indie Film & Documentary forums.Respond to this post Return to posts index TechSmith Re: best thing about editby Rick Dolishny on Aug 17, 2008 at 7:36:30 pmI just thought of this one today: the ability to Paste to any track you want (not just the track number you copied from).Actually, right click > drag > copy in Vegas is better.But copy from track anything and paste to track anything is pretty nice.—Rick DolishnyDiscrete Editors COW Leaderwww.thecreativeprocess.caRespond to this post Return to posts index Re: best thing about editby John Watts on Aug 18, 2008 at 5:48:39 pmYears ago I did a goofy corporate video where I had to paste the heads of these corporate VP's onto old surfer footage and track the movement. I used the graphic track and manually built the movement (it didn't have to be that accurate). There were about 9 different VP heads, back to back, moving pretty rapidly on surfer bodies. The entire thing played in real-time, didn't even render it, not even to play it out to tape.I'm still editing on Edit 6.0 on T-2000 occasionaly, at one place. It still works for the most part on machines that are about 8 years old.John WattsRespond to this post Return to posts index Update: best thing about editby Rick Dolishny on Aug 20, 2008 at 1:56:56 amI am in swamp land and with the Toronto Film Fest just days away I may not have that down-time I was hoping for. Of course, things do die down just after which will give me more time to wrangle editors/actors.Thanks everyone!!!—Rick DolishnyDiscrete Editors COW Leaderwww.thecreativeprocess.ca